Nine Inch Nails

Batman The Dark Knight

Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:51 am · #466755

2005/09/16 - San Diego, CA [Cox Arena] (Cancelled)

If you were at this show, talk about it here! If not, BUTT OUT!

botley Prince Adept

Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:07 am · #466815

The AIM room "ChatNinFallTour" (CNFT) has been working hard tonight, keeping Ladyotms (who is at the show right now, seated next to Aaron's aunt) connected to the ETS community. She has taken some pictures on her cell phone and sent them to Kimma, who kindly uploaded it all for us.

To recap, we have three shots so far: one of the stage pre-show, and two of The Spiral's special venue entrance.

EDIT: Here's one of the curtain in front of the stage.

Queens of the Stone Age finished up a few moments ago, and as of 21:04 PST the crew is setting up for NIN. We will keep you updated as soon as the band start their set.

21:40 PST - They're playing "Love Is Not Enough".

22:23 PST - They had to stop playing because of a "medical emergency"... the curtain went back up.

A few songs spotted on the setlist (not all of these were played):
"Eraser"
"Deep"
"Only"
"Right Where It Belongs"
"Head Like A Hole"
A new one: "Not So Pretty Now" (unconfirmed title)

22:27 PST - Trent came back out. Apparently it was JEROME who stopped the show, as he "felt weird" and was found to be having "heart problems"! This is bad.

22:40 PST - They have had to cancel the rest of the show while Jerome is treated for chest pains and heart palpitations. I hope he gets better real soon, in the meantime let's send our positive thoughts and feelings to him.

22:42 PST - They mentioned something about them being "back in November."

evil sparrow Grand Pontiff

Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:10 am · #466888

Regarding being back in November: I just talked to a friend of mine who was there and she told me that Trent said they will be back on Nov. 20th and to hold on to your tickets or something like that. If I get more info, I'll post it, but I doubt I will talk to her anymore tonight.

esoph1

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:02 am · #466948

Yep, I just got back from the show. The guy did indeed say Nov. 20. The band was really firing on all cylinders tonight. Out of the previous 3 times I've seen them live, Trent easily seemed to have the most energy I've seen him with onstage tonight. Aaron of course was all over the place, and Jeordie was really getting into it too. The lights during the show were amazing. Unfortunately, right before it got cancelled it seemed like they were going to be doing something really cool. The nets had been lowered again and images of what looked like components of cells were being projected on them. Then the bad news came

I hope that all is well with Jerome and they were just playing it safe.

drstrangelove19

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:05 am · #466951

being a longtime listener of nine inch nails, of course i was blown away by nin live; a totally different experience. tonight was no exception, they were amazing, and obviously pumped about this being the first show of the tour and everything. but about midway through, this screen came up and was showing some weird movie of a virus or cells reproducing when trent came out and said there was a medical emergency and they would be back in a few minutes. everyone was sitting in the dark for a bit; trent came out again and said "no bullshit, jerome came up to me and said his heart was going crazy, we really appreciate you guys being so patient, thank you." then another ten minutes went by and the house lights go up, and some promoter came out and said "jerome is with the emt's right now, and he's not going to be able to come back on, we will be back on november 20th, save your ticket stubs, they will be honored".

of course everyone is thinking about jerome, and hopefully he's alright. obviously, nine inch nails put on a great show, and the live version of closer kicks ass. the stuff from with teeth sounds very interesting live, much more in your face. anyway, hopefully someone can figure out what really happened and we can get a better picture of what was going on.

Dozzer

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:06 am · #466952

I myself was at tonight's show here in San Diego!
What was said about the show being stoped and ended early is 100% true.
I also heard that NIN would be returning back Nov. 20th.
Trent came out twice to gives us the heads up, then sadly a guy (I assume tour or management personel) came out to let us know that the concert would not continue.
One thing I can say is, at least Trent did come out and talk with the fans, told us what was up! That to me shows he cares about his fans.
It was fun for the short time that NIN got to play and may the injured NIN member get well soon.

Felix Tibs

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:17 am · #466964

Wow...So disappointing. An anxiety attack ended the show. At least I hope that was it. The set was fierce, and things were heating up as eraser started playing. It was starting to get good when all of a sudden the music just stops. Flat out cuts out. The rest is history. I hope they bring that energy back on the 20th...man...whatta disappointment

kare2cares Bricklayer

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:23 am · #466973

Hopefully they will let us know how he's doing soon, Up to that point the show fucking rocked!!!!

Very disappointed by the reception that QOTSA received, I love them and they were getting booed

I flew out from NJ to CA to see this show and I'm concerned I'm not going to be able to make it back out for Thanksgiving do u think they'll make any special provisions for something like that? prob not

Hopefully Jerome's doing ok

aec merlin Bricklayer

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:30 am · #466981

OFFICIAL SETLIST FOR THIS CONCERT (as posted on some equipment on the side of the stage)

The concert got to the almost-beginning of "Eraser".

----------------------
Love Is Not Enough
Wish
Terrible Lie
The Line Begins To Blur
March of the Pigs
The Frail / The Wretched
Closer
Burn
Gave Up
Eraser
Right Where It Belongs
Beside You In Time
You Know What You Are
Sin
Only
Not So Pretty Now
Deep
Down In It
Hurt
The Hand That Feeds
Star Fucker
Head Like A Hole
----------------------

ladyotms Grand Pontiff

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:32 am · #466986

^ Yeah. We sat really close to the side, and we realized they had the set list taped on this box-thing, so we moved closer for a bit and copied it down. I hope the guy who took the pictures of it for us comes in here and posts it. We should have stolen one of the setlists, but the security wouldn't let us.

Ahh..this is all so sad...Jerome...

. I mean, the part of the concert we DID experience was AMAZING. I mean....everything was BEYOND spot-on and...not one wrong note. Trent's been working even harder on his singing. It was just amazing. I saw Rob filming, and waved to him! I saw him before it started, and then when we found out it was over I saw him filming a "reaction shot" of the crowd and everything.

Well, the upside to this is that the replace tour date for this show is only 7 days before my birthday. so that'll be cool.

nin dissapointment.

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:45 am · #467009

first off.. let me say that the spiral can suck my nuts. the ONLY benefit is getting tickets at face value, but even then you pay $60 on top for membership.. first off.. cool design for a t-shirt.. but the t-shirt itself couldn't be any cheaper.. ohh cool id card.. but it's just a piece of plastic.. and for the bullshit special early entrance.. wow!! I got in 2 minutes before every other person! how fucking gay was that?!

onto the show.. good opening band.. but who the fuck were they? shouldn't they have announced their name at least once?

QOTSA kicked ass! played really good.. I laughed my ass off when josh said, "we kick ass!!"

then NIN, ok.. maybe Trent is getting old.. but he did this bend over at the waist kinda head bang thing.. I dunno, it was creepy.. made him look odd.. the stage.. ok.. but nothing that would even touch fragility. and I love NIN as much as everyone else.. but hmmmm I dunno how to put it.. I mean they rock.. but they need to reinvent themselves somehow... maybe it's the new line up.. I dunno... just didn't have the spark as they used too.. this is my opinion of course. and no no no.. you cannot use wish as your second song!! that's a killer song.. one that should be used for near the end.. and is anyone else getting a little tired of terrible lie and closer.. come on Trent.. pick some new shit and make it more visually appealing. as far as JD.. I saw him sitting up being carried off on a stretcher being put in the ambulance.. he looked ok.. at least he wasn't strapped laying down.. Aaron went running after to the ambulance.. and they played for over an hour.. is that good enough to keep our money.. or will they come back? or did they just throw out NOV 20th so people wouldn't riot.. I find it a little hard to believe that they rescheduled a new date in about 10 minutes. it will remain to be see.. I’m out

Sinner_D

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:52 am · #467019

was definitely a downer...really hope jerome is ok.

just figured id confirm, the annoucer did say that a redeem show would be played free of charge on 11-20-05 to those with tickets from tonights show.

lets just all hope that jerome is ok...talk about a bad start to the new tour.

kristine

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:01 am · #467027

I seriously doubt that when they come back they would only play the rest of the show. I like to think that when they come back they will play a new first half, then pick up where they left off. So in a way, we get a show and half, right? I'm trying to stay optimistic until we get more details.

neuroma

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:05 am · #467030

The visuals at the beginning of Eraser looked amazing. The performance was nailed down pretty tight. I noticed Jerome started playing a little sloppy during Gave Up. I specifically remember that he continued playing the heavy beat over the quiet "I tried, and I gave up" section of the song for a few measures. He looked a little confused. The anouncer DID say 11/20 for those of you that kept your tickets.

nin dissapointment

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:06 am · #467032

see!! i was right.. that's what happened in gave up

ultra-lazer Master Traveler

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:14 am · #467037

Um...I'm pretty sure he did fuck up. No one knew what was going on, and it didn't sound right. I think it was a fuck up.

aec merlin wrote:
nin dissapointment wrote:did they fuck up gave up?
They fucked up nothing.

But, on to what really matters, I hope Jerome gets better. I was BEYOND dissapointed when eraser stopped and I was really looking forward to songs like "beside you in time," but I guess I'll just have to hope those are played later on.

ultra-lazer Master Traveler

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:30 am · #467050

need to know in tucson wrote:information pertaining to the cancellation of any further shows would be appreciated and welcomed. those of you who know anything at all should post something here or at the hotline immediately. I have tickets for the Tucson show and have waited six years to see them live again, must know the info soon... or i'll explode.

There is nothing known yet except that Nov 20, they're playing in San Diego to make up for tonight.

UPDATE: nin.com now says that tomorrow's concert is canceled too.

ladyotms Grand Pontiff

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:32 am · #467052

PICTURES.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/ ... 010453.jpg Better picture (digital camera instead of CELL PHONE) of that veil around the stage

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/ ... 010456.jpg when they first came out

Trent and Jeordie

kinda blurry, but more trent

Trent-tastic

Trent!

still blurry!

very blurry, but it's zoomed in to Trent, who was playing "The Frail" facing the oppisite direction from us. Yes.

more view of stage and Alessandro is kinda in it, too.

stage ness

last picture I got. It was when they were preparing for Eraser...this GIANT ASS like...SPEAKER-THING starts coming down and it had a bunch of squares on it. i couldn't tell if they were screens or lights or what? It was amazing, but I didn't get to find out what it was for! In this picture you can also see the smoke fog they put up there. woooo!

I'll upload the 2 short videos I have shortly, as well.

kare2cares Bricklayer

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:33 am · #467053

jandrox wrote:
ATL wrote:Wow ... that's bad. Hope Jerome is alright.

Here's an interestingly hypothetical scenario, though ...

So Jerome might not be able to play for part of the tour. In that case, Trent will need another drummer.

Manson just finished up his tour in August. Tweaker is currently doing nothing ...

... perhaps we could see the return of Chris Vrenna?
you know a certain drummer named Dave GROHL did help out on with teeth....hmmmmm.....heres hoping that it doesnt come to that and jerome is ok...

FYI Dave is currently touring with Foo Fighters, Lets give Jerome at least a day to recoup before replacing him in the line up

ladyotms Grand Pontiff

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:43 am · #467059

And here's the 2 videos I took. They're short, and they don't have sound.

. But it's something! it shows how immensely cool the lights were. Well, not even. But it gives you a taste.

http://s4.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=25RZQ ... 8HIX29H0DN

http://s4.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=27RHT ... ZDCU5QFMQ4

ultra-lazer Master Traveler

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:43 am · #467060

Here's a few other random things I've thought of:

I was 3 rows of people back, right in front of Jordie the whole time. For sure less than 20 feet from Trent. Quite cool.

Trent was super hot tonight. He looked really happy and really good. He was wearing PVC pants and a sleveless shirt.

Jordie is doing what he always does. When he's not playing, he's crossing his arms. When he does play, he sometimes sways and/or walks around.

Aaron is a fucking bad ass per usual.

Alensandro was interesting to watch. He probably was spending as much time re-patching synths as he spent playing.

Jerome was amaizing to watch per usual. I'm really really depressed about his troubles. But pleanty has been said on this already.

The set list was absolutely amaizing. The lighting for the show was REALLY varried and was absolutely amaizing. It's hard to tell without having seen the whole show, but I think the stage may have topped the Fragility 2.0 stage and light setup. Also, interestingly, almost everything from the spring tour was recycled into the setup for this fall tour.

Autolux was really good. Everyone around me agreed that they wished Autolux would have played more and queens would have played less. (They have an anoying habbit of pretending to end a song and then starting back up many times in a row.)

kare2cares Bricklayer

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:53 am · #467072

need to know in tucson wrote:information pertaining to the cancellation of any further shows would be appreciated and welcomed. those of you who know anything at all should post something here or at the hotline immediately. I have tickets for the Tucson show and have waited six years to see them live again, must know the info soon... or i'll explode.

from the home page:
09_17_2005]
We had to cancel the show tonight. Have to cancel tomorrow as well. Feeling kind of numb right now.
Jerome is spending the night in the hospital with chest pains and an irregular heartbeat. Uncertainty abounds.

1:09am_BST

DeathPharmacy

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:19 am · #467086

Well I just got back...

I definatly thought they put on a GREAT performance, but since when did so many fags show up to NIN. I was so dissapointed with all the little teenie bopers who are all into the hardcore straight edge scene and they're at a NIN show only because of The Hand That Feeds. They were trying to like hardcore dance to NIN where I was. It just ruined it for me. Along with all the screaming adults. Just didn't feel right. Maybe that was also because I was sober...

Anyways, great performance. I even thought QOTSA played a good show too, but I'm not a fan of them. Unfortunatly I missed Autolux, but I really wanted to hear them to see how they sounded.

Trent was DEFINATLY getting into this show, and so were everyone else. I was on the Aaron/Jerome side, so I got to see Aaron going crazy, that was pretty badass.

So great when Aaron got all pissed off during the beginning when he had problems with his guitar. He knocked over his amp and It fucked with his connection, I don't know what it was. He was holding up his guitar wire in the middle of the song, and he just walked off stage, so trent had to fill in. hahaha.

Yeah, I too did notice Jerome fuck up during Gave up, and Trent fucked up the guitar in the end of one song, but I can't remember what it was. He played it off like he ment to do it though.

Jerome was definatly playing hard though. I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.

I was so happy to hear the intro to Eraser though. I was hoping that they'd play it this time around. I love that song. Through the "Access" part on NIN.com I did ask Trent if it'd be possible to play Eraser, but I doubt he even read it.

It sucked when they cut out though. At first I thought someone got hurt in the pit, but then we all found out it was Jerome. Hopefully he's doing well. I'm sure he'll only need a couple days and he'll be good to go. I wouldn't start thinking about replacements just yet. Just wait for a status on his condition. I too suggested it'd be awesome if Chris Vrenna subbed into NIN since Manson's tour just ended.

Aaron fucking rocked, I always love Twiggy, Trent looked like he had a too many Rockstars, Jerome was beating the fuck out of his drum set, and I couldn't see the keyboards at all.

I thought for sure Aaron was going to smash his guitar when it cut out though. He looked so pissed. I would have smashed it he jsut got handed another guitar. haha.

Other than all the fags and not really being with anyone I wanted to be there with, the show still rocked. I wish I was on the floor though. I've got floor tickets for Denver though so I'm good to go.

ophidicism Master Traveler

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:22 am · #467088

This whole evening just felt very weird. I mean, the show was awesome up until things when bad.... but... After the curtain went down for ERASER and the music just stopped you knew something was really wrong. I hope that Jerome is ok but I don't see any doctor telling you that it's cool to go out and nearly kill yourself every night after this kind of scare.

Seems like a new drummer is probably gonna have to happen...and I don't know how that could happen.

I really hope you're ok Jerome.

on a lighter note, the stage looks great with the new LED boards and the sound is great.. CLOSER still had that ONLY TIME break down and TR was doing some odd things with him vocals during certain sections of songs. It's really a shame that it go cut short.

ophidicism Master Traveler

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:27 am · #467090

DeathPharmacy wrote:Well I just got back...

but since when did so many fags show up to NIN.

We've always been there you stupid cunt. Stay home next time.

glenurse

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:49 am · #467096

Along with all the screaming adults. Just didn't feel right

wtf, im 35 and if i cannot scream at a nin show then when the hell can i ?

poor jerome, at least he got on stage this time, once i went to see them in london and they had cancelled due to a jerome illness.

get well man
see u soon

rawr Bricklayer

Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:00 am · #467098

I really wanted to hear Right Where It Belongs. Damnit, he couldn't hold off for one more song? Do they even need him for that song?

When I think about it though, it's no big deal because the man was having a fucking heart attack. I really hope he is alright and comes out of this 100%. Best wishes to you Jerome.

ATL

Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:09 am · #467102

rawr wrote:I really wanted to hear Right Where It Belongs. Damnit, he couldn't hold off for one more song? Do they even need him for that song?

When I think about it though, it's no big deal because the man was having a fucking heart attack. I really hope he is alright and comes out of this 100%. Best wishes to you Jerome.

I'm not trying to be dicky or anything, and I know you weren't either with that comment, but I think Jerome's health is more important than holding out for one more song. He'll need their support.

utilize

Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:10 am · #467105

ok anyone who thinks chris vrenna will ever drum for nin again is just crazy. that will not happen ever.

also for the guy who was complaining about the hardcore dancing, you said you weren't even on the floor. so were people hardcore dancing in the seats? if not why the hell do you care if it's not affecting you?

tjmilian Master Traveler

Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:25 am · #467111

i really hope jerome is ok. he was playing his ass off. during gave up, he did continue the heavy drumming by mistake during the breakdown. he looked really confused during that song as others have said.

i was super excited to hear eraser. earlier today i was wondering if they would ever play that song live again. nin haven't played eraser live in almost 10 years. the video started off great. some kind of maggots or microscopic shots of cells. and to see that right where it belongs, beside you in time, only and deep were supposed to be played tonight...wow.

after the annoucements about jerome, a guy in the front row yelled, "jerome, you can have my heart!" i really hope jerome is ok.

-tj

orestes Site Admin

Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:26 pm · #467143

Batman wrote:If you were at this show, talk about it here! If not, BUTT OUT!

To reiterate: Do NOT post in this thread if you were NOT at the show. Your post will be removed. Any replies related to Jerome or the setlist should be posted in either the Tour News or Upcoming show forums.

Fredy_Brown Master of Achievement

Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:41 pm · #467151

aec merlin wrote:OFFICIAL SETLIST FOR THIS CONCERT (as posted on some equipment on the side of the stage)

The concert got to the almost-beginning of "Eraser".

----------------------
Love Is Not Enough
Wish
Terrible Lie
The Line Begins To Blur
March of the Pigs
The Frail / The Wretched
Closer
Burn
Gave Up
Eraser
Right Where It Belongs
Beside You In Time
You Know What You Are
Sin
Only
Not So Pretty Now
Deep
Down In It
Hurt
The Hand That Feeds
Star Fucker
Head Like A Hole
----------------------

This could be the best gig in WT tour.....

orestes Site Admin

Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:45 pm · #467156

WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!

violent_n_delicious Master ad Vitam

Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:36 pm · #467237

Wow. What a fucking way to start round 2. Show started out fucking AMAZING. Front row right between Jeordie and Trent last night and the crowd couldn't have been fucking tamer. My friends and I were expecting the asskicking of a LIFETIME and barely even got touched(sans one DOUCHEBAG crowdsurfer kicking me RIGHT in the mouth haha). SOMA last tour was 5 times worse. Cox has a really great staff to and it was hilarious to see the "pit crew" comprised of what looked like 14 little high school boys pile in right before the show. During Queens people were hardly even MOVING, it was fucking nuts. We will be doing a LOT more shows as a result this tour I am sure. My only complaint about Cox is the fucking STAIRS. Holy SHIT. I so thought I was gonna bust my ass on the way down. OH - and a HUGE fuck you to the two fangirl boys in Fragility era cut-off shirts that cut the entire crowd to get front row pretty much DEAD CENTER and also the white trash red head broad that was right next to them. I know people who waited all day with us that you cut. You seriously fucking suck.

Tan, shaved head, muscular Trent in PVC pants and eyeliner....fucking hilarious. <3

Met some reeeeally cool people and saw some of our old favorites. Ive missed you people so so so much. It feels SO fucking good to have this tour started again, even if the show was cut short. I seriously FORGOT how much I had missed this bands shows. Cannot WAIT for Fresno and sincerely hope Jerome is okay. I saw him run off stage and was very pleasantly surprised by how well the crowd handled the news of the cancellation. Aside from a few jerk offs yelling it was pretty calm and impressive. Much more supportive than I expected - so way to go san diego.

By the way, we heard Eraser soundchecked a shitload of times and it sounded fucking fantastic, but I'm not sure what the deal is with Deep. Haha. What a random ass song to play...

Oh and about the Spiral - while there was a bit of confusion for the most part it wasnt nearly as bad as I thought it was gonna be. Brandi was reeeally really helpful and super rad despite the fact it was the first show and people were freaking out about details.

So yeah...the PA shows are a definite possibility for me at this point.

Mtlgeer Master ad Vitam

Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:07 pm · #467260

This being my first of 1.posting. 2.seeing NIN live,i have to say it was a great experience seeing trent for the first time and talking about it! Even though i was on the seats rather than the floor. Truth be told, i just got into NIN since last december, so i may not have as much knowlege about them as you guys do, but i can say that i love the music and seeing trent live was amazing. I was more excited than a 16 y/o girl at a 'my chemical romance' show...thats alot. I was also suprised to see TWIGGY there! I loved seeing him with manson and now hes playing with NIN, ironic

.

But anyways, it was all great(the playlist was a little akward, but meh..i guess i listened to the "and all that could have been: live" Cd too much.). I found myself acting like an infant on speed along to 'gave up' and feeling my heart beat 100mph in exitement. And speaking of heart beats, it was sad to hear that jerome(flame me all u want but i didnt know he was the drummer at the time

) got chest pains. I too, suffer from a heart condition, so i can kinda understand how it felt for him to have to finish that last song by pounding the drums while his heart was pounding his chest. Not fun at all.

I really hope he gets better, and the show was going by very good, so i hope they take it easy and to see them again on Nov 20th.

notoriousTIMP Knight of the Royal Axe

Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:14 pm · #467267

great show, shitty ass seats. I was a little upset with the spiral seats i got.

Check out the picture below to see the SIDE STAGE view. *grrrr*

I recorded last nights show but i wasnt able to get TR's little speech about how Jerome had heart problems and how the show will be made up on the 20th of November. Ill try to post the little clip where TR says something about "a medical condition they need to take care of" tonight when i get home from work. Here are more pictures for ya'll to look at for the time being....

Brought to you by MySpace lol

ninfarley Bricklayer

Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:57 pm · #467324

The show was off the fucking hook. They were on fire tonight. Obviously it was only great until about five seconds in to Eraser and it just stopped. I was first row right in front of where they had to hold the curtain up so it didn't hit the light and burn (it actually did for a second) so I saw Jerome walk off his set and talk to Trent and run off stage. Hopefully everything is alright and Jerome will be okay.

The lighting setup is pretty ellaborate and amazing, sans the intel lights on the stage being in my direct line of vision of Jerome. I can't wait to see what happens with the projections on the curtains. I heard the stage manager tell security that the curtain comes down for "three songs and goes back up again". And the only other thing I will say is that I love Love Is Not Enough but it's just not my favorite opener, though that song tonight was better than I've ever seen it.

Even though it got cancelled, it was great to see everyone and hang out in line. I love these shows, I wish I could try to find a way to do more. Since Tucson WAS my next show, seems like I'll have to wait three days for Fresno. It seems so far away.

Smallz

Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:46 pm · #467359

"[09_17_2005]
Just heard Jerome is doing OK. No details. See you in Phoenix.
I'd like to personally thank the audience in San Diego for your understanding and the respect you displayed last night. I will make it up to you.

11:32am_BST"

esoph1

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:03 pm · #467369

Good news! I know Trent realy will make it up to us.

jonnyamerican Bricklayer

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:04 pm · #467371

i have 4 tickets, my friend lost his yesterday after we all left to go home. I still have the reciept, will they honor that?

ladyotms Grand Pontiff

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:14 pm · #467382

jonnyamerican wrote:i have 4 tickets, my friend lost his yesterday after we all left to go home. I still have the reciept, will they honor that?

I'm wondering this as well, I was completely worried about Jerome and what was going on when I was leaving I'm not sure if I lost one of my tickets or not. I still have to ask the other person I was with if he somehow has it...but...I'm pretty sure I put it back in my backpack, and it's not in my backpack. I got it through The Spiral, so I mean..it had my name on it. I don't know. I really hope I didn't lose it. Or that having a reciept would work too.

I'm just worried, because my seats were reserved, and if I lost the ticket I probably wouldn't be able to get to/leave the venue by myself, and I'd never find a new ticket for any seats close to me, so either way I'd have to buy new ones or something. I don't know. Over-worrying.

aec merlin Bricklayer

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:57 pm · #467429

Did anyone see that slutty chick dressed in what looked like a garbage bag? She flashed the entire pit area, and one of the security guards looked very confused as if he had never seen panties

notoriousTIMP Knight of the Royal Axe

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:00 pm · #467432

aec merlin wrote:Did anyone see that slutty chick dressed in what looked like a garbage bag? She flashed the entire pit area, and one of the security guards looked very confused as if he had never seen panties

i was sitting near that "thing" *shutters*

ultra-lazer Master Traveler

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:43 pm · #467474

trentsinmypants wrote:
aec merlin wrote:Did anyone see that slutty chick dressed in what looked like a garbage bag? She flashed the entire pit area, and one of the security guards looked very confused as if he had never seen panties
i was sitting near that "thing" *shutters*

Luckily, the pit was far enough away that it was a source of entertainment for us.

ultra-lazer Master Traveler

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:55 pm · #467479

glenurse wrote:Along with all the screaming adults. Just didn't feel right

wtf, im 35 and if i cannot scream at a nin show then when the hell can i ?

poor jerome, at least he got on stage this time, once i went to see them in london and they had cancelled due to a jerome illness.

get well man
see u soon

This is a bit off topic, but wasn't the Jerome Ill thing just a cover for when Trent OD'd??

mainliner18 Master Traveler

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:58 pm · #467480

violent_n_delicious wrote:OH - and a HUGE fuck you to the two fangirl boys in Fragility era cut-off shirts that cut the entire crowd to get front row pretty much DEAD CENTER and also the white trash red head broad that was right next to them.

I know exactly who your talking about! I gave those two fucks some shit for it when they were kinda sneaking their way to closer to the sliding glass doors before it opened. They didnt respond though. I say we ban together at the make-up show and make sure they dont pull that shit again. I know exactly who it was, those two slender guys that looked like brothers with the grey sleevless shirts. It should have been you Violent, that got dead center since you were waiting longer than I was, and I got there at 10 AM! Lets make sure they dont pull that shit again at the makeup show! They need to pay.

eugenie_de_franval Master ad Vitam

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:03 pm · #467482

arena tour stop .5 or whatthehell?

just as i was starting to think that i had the nin tour experience locked and was preparing for some type of disaffection or, dare i say it - tour fatigue, was i proved wrong and none of this is about the cancellation and the medical emergency.

i will spare you the thrilling details of the drive from el lay to sd. it was actually uneventful to the extreme.

we arrive and start to hang. as soon as i got there i noticed that soundcheck was going on. excellent. i hear a number of songs the most exciting of which were:

"every day is exactly the same" - which i have been jonesing to hear for the last seven shows.

one fragment of a song that has not been played before at a nin show that lead into one of the "with teeth" songs. it was of the "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen, they're playing "burn"-level" surprise. IOW: a very pleasant one.

one completely unidentifiable song that was more thrashy/punky. jagged guitars at a fast tempo. vocals were pretty unintelligible due to the fact that there was a lot of noise outside at the time. very interesting.

oh yeah, the most amusing thing was hearing them start "the line begins to blur" and hear trent say "stop" about four bars in and then start all over again to hear him say "stop" again [in an authoritative, yet slightly menacing tone] at the very same place.

and "right where it belongs" was played too.

the biggest baddest news was that i heard the unmistakeable strains of my fave "pure-cheesy" nin song ever.

DEEP.

i took this as a sign that that we would hear my beloved "deep" that very night. it is possible that i capered for joy. i looked forward to having an arena full of the stone righteous [meaning dorky and dumb] go "HUH?"

hands down, that would have been my favorite moment of the night, possibly the whole tour. i hate when people do this on this board, but in this case i have no shame.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLAY DEEP. I BEG OF YOU.

seriously, think of all the little ninnies getting their black lace panties in wads, not just bunches. all this may make it sound like i would enjoy the effect of the song more than the song itself. nothing could be further from the truth; i loves me some metal fromage. you have no idea how deadly serious i am about this.

that is all i can specifically remember at the moment. i know, i have a problem remembering setlists and the names of songs when they get played at an arena or venue of some other sort.

it's a flaw.

so, this whole spiral thing; have to say that i called it proper. while it is still clearly in its formative phase, they are doing their level best to treat the members well and get what was promised delivered. for me, that is all that matters.

they even had a couple of the tour dudes, very cool the both of them, come out and ask who had received their spiral goodies [and who hadn't] and what city you were from.

i got my package and had absolutely no problem getting my tickets, which were given out early to decrease crowding and help the people who didn't get their membership cards in enough time. we were lined up early to be let in. i had a vibe that was going to happen and disposed of my belongings way before the time that was originally announced arrived. all of this was done with tact and courtesy.

well done. thanks.

in the arena, i get the squished first/second row on the aaron north side, which i prefer over the jeordie side. no offense.

let me make a suggestion. if you are a fan of good music and like to discover new things, remember that reznor has a well deserved reputation for choosing great opening acts. when you think idly about skipping either of the acts on this leg of the tour or maybe just heckling them while you chant "NIN" in your mind, think again.

imo, you get your money's worth even if the show were just nine alone. think of the savings if you go and really enjoy QOTSA and autolux, both of whom were in fine form last night. regrettably, most of the audience was only mildy appreciative of the 'lux and downright impatient/comatose towards the queens.

wrong answer.

i happen to know that if you go to a QOTSA show, you are most likely to get your ass whomped in the pit. not a slayer/lamb of god style whomping, but likely you would come out with more bruises than you had going in. QOTSA having the opening slot gives you, the audience member, the enviable position of being able to see josh homme, et al, smoke on their instruments and play some good shit without having to duck flying elbows and boots to the head. that way you are free to rock the fuck out without fearing for your well being. also, josh homme is one funny dude. while on stage he claimed that:

he was already drunk.
he was an alcoholic but that was why he was so well liked.
that his band rocked and what the hell was the matter with this audience?

moreover:

after asking if the arena served alcohol and receiving the heartiest shout of the night, in the form of a negative, he obeserved that "this arena sucks".

after being flipped off repeatedly by some dipshit, he stopped and said, "aw, he's just mad, 'cause he sucked my dick and i didn't pay him". homme went on to further relate other dick suckings that involved the guy's mom.

back to the review:

autolux played a short set of five or six songs, none of which i know the names of. they have a kinda sonic youth/velvet underground [look it up] feel and are a three piece band. worth the extra time spent at the venue for sure. this is my second show for them and i liked them twice as much as the first time. show up early, kids.

QOTSA. have to admit that i was not converted to a fan until very recently. it took me catching a live show to convince me. the recordings are good but the songs have an energy live that expands them and will convert you as well, if you open your ears. all the bands members are good players and homme in particular plays his instrument with a fury. ol' homme also does some elvis pelvis moves that are kinda cool and kinda funny at the same time.

they played, "monster in a parasol", "burn the witch", "go with the flow", "little sister", "in my head", and "no one knows" with a cool extended breakdown. there were other songs but the titles escape me at the moment. my faves were "monster" and "in my head".

on to the main event.

we were confronted with a much more elaborate stage set and lighting rig, natch, and a silver coated net curtain. it struck me that we were probably going to get "reptile" with projections a la "hurt" on self destruct. nice. the crowd was not actually that bad considering how bad the crushes i have previously been in at other san diego venues, but hey, there was still a push and i am still sore today, just not covered in bruises in weird places.

Love Is Not Enough - a rush right out of the gate. great energy and fire.

Wish - even more intensity taking the agression to a higher peak. this is when the crowd started jumping in place.

Terrible Lie - good version, but not my favorite ever.

The Line Begins To Blur - i love this song, but i was curiously less effected this time. dunno why, the performance was good. i'll blame it on the heat.

March of the Pigs - kicking it back up for a moment, the push began in earnest here.

The Frail / The Wretched - really good version of this combo song, which i happen to really dig. nicely sung and with feeling.

Closer - back to smirkville, he gave the business to the audience and they loved it. i have never been the biggest fan of this song live but this was a playful and nastily fun. ever since the "only time" break was introduced i have revised my opinion. i actually enjoyed this version quite a lot.

Burn - love it. period.

Gave Up - this is where i went, "holy shit" because these two songs back to back really tests one's mettle. awesome.

this is where the curtain came down and so did the lights. after a few moments, reznor came out and asked for our forebearance and informed us that there was a "medical emergency". after a few more moments, he came back and said that "jerome came up to me and told me he had chest pains. no bullshit. there is an emt backstage and he is getting checked out. please be patient."

the wait went on for awhile longer and the heat in the crowd started taking its toll on audience members. there was a discussion of what might have been wrong, but it was generally agreed that the longer the delay the less likely that they were coming back. much concern was also aired for the state of jerome's health. there were a couple of douches who started talking shit but they got the finger right quick from me.

about fifteen minutes or so into this i started feeling trapped and panicky as well as getting the vibe that the night was done, although i didn't want to tell my neighbors that. i signaled for a guard and asked to be pulled out. while being escorted to the side of the stage, some random fucknut said, "nice try honey."

instantly, i whipped the finger out on him too. he responded, "you don't have to be a bitch.". i bit my tongue about the fact that i felt the show was over and merely replied, "yes, that's what i am. a fucking bitch."

the lights went on about a minute or two later and the announcement of the reschedule was made by a tour gnome.

the audience was well behaved and most of us stood around dumbfounded and hoping for the best. there was some more discussiom about the likeihood of further shows being canceled, but the most chewed over topic was worry about dillon. nice to see that people still care.

so there.

p.s. i was offered rides/tickets to the fresno show by no less than two other fans. i am so tempted to go, especially since i would be most upset if any of you lot get to see/hear "DEEP" live before i do.

here i go again.

fin.

notoriousTIMP Knight of the Royal Axe

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:21 pm · #467492

if you ask me, TR should remove burn from the setlist. I was looking around the arena and it seems like that song is a mood killer. Everyone was just standing there while during the other songs they floor was nuts....

ultra-lazer Master Traveler

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:27 pm · #467501

trentsinmypants wrote:if you ask me, TR should remove burn from the setlist. I was looking around the arena and it seems like that song is a mood killer. Everyone was just standing there while during the other songs they floor was nuts....

I think the problem is that many people don't know the song. But where I was on the floor, people were getting into it by the end.

eugenie_de_franval Master ad Vitam

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:29 pm · #467503

ultra-lazer wrote:
trentsinmypants wrote:if you ask me, TR should remove burn from the setlist. I was looking around the arena and it seems like that song is a mood killer. Everyone was just standing there while during the other songs they floor was nuts....
I think the problem is that many people don't know the song. But where I was on the floor, people were getting into it by the end.

its a great song, and you are right, it takes little while for people who are unfamiliar to warm up, but from where is was standing the reaction was better than that of "closer".

notoriousTIMP Knight of the Royal Axe

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:40 pm · #467517

i just think Burn sucks live......

nwimnthng0 Bricklayer

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:42 pm · #467522

im glad that hes kept burn on the setlist, that was probably one of the most anticipated songs to hear again after the spring tour. the song just pumps the hell out of me, im gonna burn this whole world dowwwn, such an awesome song. looking forward to seeing the variations of other setlists to see what he plans on keeping on every night. toronto et montreal will be sweet. im a huge qotsa and dfa fan so that will make it even more of a spectacle.

eugenie_de_franval Master ad Vitam

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:49 pm · #467527

trentsinmypants wrote:i just think Burn sucks live......

no.

ultra-lazer Master Traveler

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:51 pm · #467531

trentsinmypants wrote:i just think Burn sucks live......

I used to not be a big fan of burn live, but I'm warming up to it now.

notoriousTIMP Knight of the Royal Axe

Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:11 pm · #467554

eugenie_de_franval wrote:
trentsinmypants wrote:i just think Burn sucks live......
no.

yes, its so flat and dull. Kinda like closer....

DeathPharmacy

Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:16 pm · #467560

Burn is such a sweet song live. Nobody gets into it because no one knows what the fuck song it is at first. I think it's one of my favorite songs live. I think they should be playing reptile instead of only though. Or at least anything instead of only.

eugenie_de_franval Master ad Vitam

Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:22 pm · #467570

trentsinmypants wrote:
eugenie_de_franval wrote:
trentsinmypants wrote:i just think Burn sucks live......
no.
yes, its so flat and dull. Kinda like closer....

wrong. it rocks, even "closer" has its moments, especially with the new bridge.

slickmode Master Traveler

Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:27 pm · #467579

thanks for posting the setlist...i was dieing to know the name of the new song they did during Rehearsal....

i'll be posting part of it really soon, especially seeing as how we wont be hearing it at a show until Jerome returns.

starshine Bricklayer

Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:45 pm · #467593

trentsinmypants wrote:
aec merlin wrote:Did anyone see that slutty chick dressed in what looked like a garbage bag? She flashed the entire pit area, and one of the security guards looked very confused as if he had never seen panties
i was sitting near that "thing" *shutters*

which one was that? I was stuck next to the skanky chicks with the cowboy hats wearing what looked like a string of mardi gras beads who were messing with those asshole frat boys in gray tshirts.
autolux was amazing.
i was NOT a fan of the qotsa fans, they were just rude and kept falling on top of me "accidently" because im like a girl of 5'1. seriously, grow up and quit acting like someone else is snorting coke when youre the one smoking pot in PLAIN VIEW!
Thanks to the shortish girl with glasses and a black bob-like cut who held onto my hand when my friend couldnt help me, youre a sweetie!

Was very bummed when the opening tease for eraser came on with the spiffy cells and what-have-you and then the notice came on. best of luck to jerome though, glad to hear he's doing better.

all in all, i think everyone in the band was having a great time, and while i liked the audience at the soma shows better, it was still amazing to see them again, and i'm glad trent is enjoying what he's doing.

Mtlgeer Master ad Vitam

Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:16 pm · #467619

aec merlin wrote:Did anyone see that slutty chick dressed in what looked like a garbage bag? She flashed the entire pit area, and one of the security guards looked very confused as if he had never seen panties

No, but i do remember 2 girls flashing trent during 'the frail'. Anyone else see them?

Jennabunnie Master Traveler

Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:19 pm · #467622

An unfortunate kickoff for ARENA TOUR!! I was front row between VnD and ninfarley for the show last night. Really enjoyed Autolux although I found QOTSA to be pretty boring with the exception of a couple songs.
We were so surprised by the crowd and the fact that we weren't getting our asses beat, we went in expecting the worse. Crowd was kinda lame, especially some winners behind us asking what album "erasure" was off of. I also noticed how no one knew Burn when it came on which is disappointing since that is one of my fav songs to get into during the show. Lights during closer looked great but I wasn't a huge fan of the screen. Overall the band had great energy last night...Must have been the pleather pants.
Looking forward to Tuesday and hearing Deep as well Jeordie singing Rain, Rain go away in Down In It. Once again it was so great seeing everyone again, you guys make the shows that much more amazing.

Ps...You will never have fun trying to squeeze in between a short redhead and a tall blonde

starshine Bricklayer

Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:35 pm · #467637

Mtlgeer wrote:
aec merlin wrote:Did anyone see that slutty chick dressed in what looked like a garbage bag? She flashed the entire pit area, and one of the security guards looked very confused as if he had never seen panties
No, but i do remember 2 girls flashing trent during 'the frail'. Anyone else see them?

im pretty sure we're all talking about the same chicks.

nbps

Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:00 am · #467696

I was in San Diego last night for my 3rd NIN show this year. As a drummer of 30 years+ I really appreciate Trents interpretation of New Orleans funky street rhythms as they are applied to his industrial songs & sounds. And I doubly appreciate Jeromes interpretation of Trents sequenced ProTools beats. (check out Please on the Fragile album. That is a New Orleans street beat at it's prime. Turn down the bass an EQ in the drums to the front of the mix). I am using that among others for the Guitar Center Drum Off.

At any rate If you were their last night and caught Jeromes drumming on "Burn".- incredible. That is enough to give any drummer a heart attack. Get well soon Jerome and don't get burned out. See you in November.

That drummer in Queens of the Stone Age is something else. He was great too. I think they hired a cave man from the stone age (I saw his club in the corner of the stage-just kidding). I have never witnessed such down and out BRUTAL drumming in my life. There is absolutely no element of funk in his playing what so ever. Perfect for QOTSA. Does anybody know his name?

mainliner18 Master Traveler

Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:15 am · #467709

His name is Joey Castillo. He is from, among other bands, Danzig.

notoriousTIMP Knight of the Royal Axe

Sun Sep 18, 2005 3:49 am · #467837

it was brought to my attention in the super cool ninfalltour chat that no one had posted pictures of their spiral tickets. Well, here you go!

the little nin logo is all shiny silver too!

[nothing] Master of the Ninth Arch

Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:36 am · #467875

ultra-lazer wrote:
glenurse wrote:Along with all the screaming adults. Just didn't feel right

wtf, im 35 and if i cannot scream at a nin show then when the hell can i ?

poor jerome, at least he got on stage this time, once i went to see them in london and they had cancelled due to a jerome illness.

get well man
see u soon
This is a bit off topic, but wasn't the Jerome Ill thing just a cover for when Trent OD'd??

i always thought that. i remember the interview where tr said he od'd on tour in london and i just put 2 and 2 together.

ziff Bricklayer

Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:57 am · #467893

A couple of photos from last nite.

A couple of items I picked up.

notoriousTIMP Knight of the Royal Axe

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:12 am · #467907

you can enjoy last nights recording.....brought to you by me

http://www.demonoid.com/torrents/details/199937/

trent82 Master of the Ninth Arch

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:21 am · #467923

trentsinmypants wrote:you can enjoy last nights recording.....brought to you by me

http://www.demonoid.com/torrents/details/199937/

thank you for being an asset to the nin community by generously sharing your recording instead of being a greedy asshole like certain other people tend to be.

brightshadow Master ad Vitam

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:23 am · #467924

trentsinmypants wrote:you can enjoy last nights recording.....brought to you by me

http://www.demonoid.com/torrents/details/199937/

I have no password..

No Torrent files for me...

Mr_Self_Destruct00 Grand Pontiff

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:30 am · #467940

Mr_Self_Destruct00 wrote:want an invite?

i0jRPTi1U3
tZO4Y14SBt
o5ERHDK84c
NEXpO67Fvx
4BI4PYP20H

there ya go.

Burlesk Master of the Ninth Arch

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:36 am · #467944

Mr_Self_Destruct00 wrote:
Mr_Self_Destruct00 wrote:want an invite?

i0jRPTi1U3
tZO4Y14SBt
o5ERHDK84c
NEXpO67Fvx
4BI4PYP20H

there ya go.

?

brightshadow Master ad Vitam

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:44 am · #467948

Mr_Self_Destruct00 wrote:
Mr_Self_Destruct00 wrote:want an invite?

i0jRPTi1U3
tZO4Y14SBt
o5ERHDK84c
NEXpO67Fvx
4BI4PYP20H

there ya go.

Thanks for trying but it says "password incorrect"

Kimma Master of the Ninth Arch

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:51 am · #467958

brightshadow3960 wrote:Thanks for trying but it says "password incorrect"

You're not using them as actual passwords, are you? They're invite codes. You can use them to get an account on there.

brightshadow Master ad Vitam

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:52 am · #467960

Kimma wrote:
brightshadow3960 wrote:Thanks for trying but it says "password incorrect"
You're not using them as actual passwords, are you? They're invite codes. You can use them to get an account on there.

(hits self on the head) Doh!

XXX Bricklayer

Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:38 am · #467983

starshine wrote:
Mtlgeer wrote:
aec merlin wrote:Did anyone see that slutty chick dressed in what looked like a garbage bag? She flashed the entire pit area, and one of the security guards looked very confused as if he had never seen panties
No, but i do remember 2 girls flashing trent during 'the frail'. Anyone else see them?
im pretty sure we're all talking about the same chicks.

Haha, this is great! Lol. Ya, I was one of the "Skanky Chicks in cowboy hats". Na, you got your info wrong hun - we left that f'n pit aftr about 6 songs and flashed no one - I know that much since we don't wear panties, garbage bags and werent there for the frail LOL. Dont hate on us, hate on the assholes who were pushing you around - we got pushed around just as badly, especially by those shitheads in the gray shirts - then again, what can you expect when your up there - guys trying to protect your 5'1 frame? Yeah right! It's NIN, that just doesn't happen unless you bring your Bf. Personally, we were showed a lot of love by other people, including plenty of chicks - no shit, its the haters who are just jealous cuz they know grrls like us get to hang out with Trent&the Band. Late!

Kehnidavis Bricklayer

Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:40 am · #467985

THE PEOPLE IN SAN DIEGO WERE BITCHES!!!

I guess I shouldn't go THAT far...but, come on...

so what if alcohol isn't served...there's more to enjoy at a rock concert than the booze...and you DONT have to mosh to dance!

So what if some guy goes nuts and stage dives or some gorilla lookalike is flailing about in the pit...create your OWN fun and have it...

People just sat there and clapped after every song..and stood straight like a bunch of paralyzed geriatrics!

I don't know...I suppose the crowd was just too full of themselves to let loose...

Unfortunately there's a larger issue at hand here...I wonder what Trents view of Drugs and Alcohol would be NOW if DRUGS were in fact, an influence on what happened to Dillon...Now, some say he has a condition..but come on people, this is THE most sophisticated and talented Industrial, Goth, Rock, Metal, Whatever bands out there!

Kehnidavis Bricklayer

Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:43 am · #467989

Also, Does anyone else know what SHOW benefits (other than EARLY entry accepted) we get for being premium members?

HELP A BROTHA OUT...
I got their late...don't we get some sort of after party access?

XXX Bricklayer

Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:52 am · #467996

Kehnidavis wrote:Also, Does anyone else know what SHOW benefits (other than EARLY entry accepted) we get for being premium members?

HELP A BROTHA OUT...
I got their late...don't we get some sort of after party access?

I wrote somewhere that there is always a guy handing out afterparty passes (if there is one), this time he was in the spiral entrance area but he doesnt stand there getting everyones attention - these people will usually approach you. If you see a guy handing out anything, take a look at what he has in his hand and maybe you can beg him (i'm not hating, just being truthful here). Usually youll have these beforehand or get recognized by a staff member or you might just stand out and they will hook you up. Basically, if you dont know anyone you have to get lucky, but it's worth a shot if your given the opportunity! Goodluck

Kehnidavis Bricklayer

Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:07 am · #468010

rad...thanks!

*~*

violent_n_delicious Master ad Vitam

Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:46 am · #468044

XXX wrote:
Haha, this is great! Lol. Ya, I was one of the "Skanky Chicks in cowboy hats". Na, you got your info wrong hun - we left that f'n pit aftr about 6 songs and flashed no one - I know that much since we don't wear panties, garbage bags and werent there for the frail LOL. Dont hate on us, hate on the assholes who were pushing you around - we got pushed around just as badly, especially by those shitheads in the gray shirts - then again, what can you expect when your up there - guys trying to protect your 5'1 frame? Yeah right! It's NIN, that just doesn't happen unless you bring your Bf. Personally, we were showed a lot of love by other people, including plenty of chicks - no shit, its the haters who are just jealous cuz they know grrls like us get to hang out with Trent&the Band. Late!

You make me fucking sick.

dendroaspis Master Traveler

Sun Sep 18, 2005 8:02 am · #468056

nbps wrote: I have never witnessed such down and out BRUTAL drumming in my life.

You have obviously never heard a death metal band before, or even a more "mainstream" band such as Slayer if you are making a comment such as this.

Dave Lombardo is THE quintessential drummer.

scuffley MikeyLiz

Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:27 am · #468081

Anyone who doesn't know the song burn doesn't deserve to be there.

Deep, how interesting. It may just turn out good. Down In It Makes a return, RWIB a fantastic addition as is Only which will also be interesting. New song WOOT. Eraser WOOT. The first version of the new setlist is fantastic.

dentaku Bricklayer

Sun Sep 18, 2005 10:06 am · #468090

trentsinmypants wrote:if you ask me, TR should remove burn from the setlist. I was looking around the arena and it seems like that song is a mood killer. Everyone was just standing there while during the other songs they floor was nuts....

Heh, perspecitve is everything. I didn't even notice a mood kill. I was so fucking jazzed the song was being played, I was bouncing about during the louder parts, screaming along with the lyrics (sorry if I annoyed anyone around me with that - I'm not usually that bad but it was fucking BURN), generally going nuts. I love it. Was second row in the pit, right in front of Trent too. Fucking awesome (up until the heart troubles, that is - glad to hear Jerome's doing better).

unreality999

Sun Sep 18, 2005 3:06 pm · #468220

reminder to those who attended the SD show...TR will truly make it up as he saays...remember the Mexico City setlist???

spahn Grand Pontiff

Sun Sep 18, 2005 3:35 pm · #468239

trentsinmypants wrote:you can enjoy last nights recording.....brought to you by me

http://www.demonoid.com/torrents/details/199937/

thank you so much....it sounds GREAT!!!

ninfarley Bricklayer

Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:12 pm · #468257

trentsinmypants wrote:if you ask me, TR should remove burn from the setlist. I was looking around the arena and it seems like that song is a mood killer. Everyone was just standing there while during the other songs they floor was nuts....

All I know is that Burn is one of my favorite songs live. I think it's amazing and is a crazy dance party.

Burlesk Master of the Ninth Arch

Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:41 pm · #468277

Kimma wrote:
brightshadow3960 wrote:Thanks for trying but it says "password incorrect"
You're not using them as actual passwords, are you? They're invite codes. You can use them to get an account on there.

how exactly do you put this codes in?

thanks.

Kimma Master of the Ninth Arch

Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:45 pm · #468281

Burlesk wrote:
Kimma wrote:
brightshadow3960 wrote:Thanks for trying but it says "password incorrect"
You're not using them as actual passwords, are you? They're invite codes. You can use them to get an account on there.
how exactly do you put this codes in?

thanks.

http://www.demonoid.com/account-signup-inv.php

Go there.

Burlesk Master of the Ninth Arch

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:17 pm · #468297

Kimma wrote:
Burlesk wrote:
Kimma wrote:
brightshadow3960 wrote:Thanks for trying but it says "password incorrect"
You're not using them as actual passwords, are you? They're invite codes. You can use them to get an account on there.
how exactly do you put this codes in?

thanks.
http://www.demonoid.com/account-signup-inv.php

Go there.

Thank you so much. =)

nbps

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:20 pm · #468299

dendroaspis wrote:
nbps wrote: I have never witnessed such down and out BRUTAL drumming in my life.
You have obviously never heard a death metal band before, or even a more "mainstream" band such as Slayer if you are making a comment such as this.

Dave Lombardo is THE quintessential drummer.

dendroaspis,

You are right I have never heard a Death Metal Band live before. I did see Black Sabbath with Bill Ward in his prime in 73 at the Long Beach arena on the Master of Reality tour (there was no such thing as metal before that, jus Zep).

Honestly I haven't listened to that style of music much since my acne cleared up a couple of decades ago. Josh Freese in a Perfect Circle is a pretty hard hitter but probably doesn't have the muscle of Dave Lombardo.

As far as Dave Grohl replacing Jerome. As much as I like the Foo Fighters I don't think Dave would know what a New Orleans funky street rhythm or second line drum beat if it hit him in the head. That is crucial to Trents songs especially those on the Fragile.I think that is why Trent likes his playing. It is so opposite of Jeromes style and the rhythms he was hearing on a daily basis in the Big Easy.
Could be wrong though.

Sharpie Master Traveler

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:26 pm · #468301

XXX wrote:
starshine wrote:
Mtlgeer wrote:
aec merlin wrote:Did anyone see that slutty chick dressed in what looked like a garbage bag? She flashed the entire pit area, and one of the security guards looked very confused as if he had never seen panties
No, but i do remember 2 girls flashing trent during 'the frail'. Anyone else see them?
im pretty sure we're all talking about the same chicks.
Haha, this is great! Lol. Ya, I was one of the "Skanky Chicks in cowboy hats". Na, you got your info wrong hun - we left that f'n pit aftr about 6 songs and flashed no one - I know that much since we don't wear panties, garbage bags and werent there for the frail LOL. Dont hate on us, hate on the assholes who were pushing you around - we got pushed around just as badly, especially by those shitheads in the gray shirts - then again, what can you expect when your up there - guys trying to protect your 5'1 frame? Yeah right! It's NIN, that just doesn't happen unless you bring your Bf. Personally, we were showed a lot of love by other people, including plenty of chicks - no shit, its the haters who are just jealous cuz they know grrls like us get to hang out with Trent&the Band. Late!

Hahaha. You sound like my kind of grrl.

And don't let the haters get you down, I know what it's like for people to be jealous of our close personal friendships with the Boys. So you want to be friends? Oh and hey, do you need a roommate? I am moving to LA soon. I can't really pay any rent, but I won't be around that much anyway since I'll be touring in support of my self-titled debut album.

Jaded Bricklayer

Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:08 pm · #468464

trentsinmypants wrote:if you ask me, TR should remove burn from the setlist. I was looking around the arena and it seems like that song is a mood killer. Everyone was just standing there while during the other songs they floor was nuts....

burn is the shit! It is a 'breather' song for the most part to catch my breath after I was going nuts in the pit....then The chorus get me moving again....

notoriousTIMP Knight of the Royal Axe

Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:32 pm · #468476

Jaded wrote:
trentsinmypants wrote:if you ask me, TR should remove burn from the setlist. I was looking around the arena and it seems like that song is a mood killer. Everyone was just standing there while during the other songs they floor was nuts....
burn is the shit! It is a 'breather' song for the most part to catch my breath after I was going nuts in the pit....then The chorus get me moving again....

i still say it sounds like shit live. Aaron's vocals really kill it

19ninetynine Grand Pontiff

Sun Sep 18, 2005 9:50 pm · #468490

i like burn live even more cause of jeordie's bass

edit: sorry forgot what thread i was in

dendroaspis Master Traveler

Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:49 am · #468633

nbps wrote:
dendroaspis wrote:
nbps wrote: I have never witnessed such down and out BRUTAL drumming in my life.
You have obviously never heard a death metal band before, or even a more "mainstream" band such as Slayer if you are making a comment such as this.

Dave Lombardo is THE quintessential drummer.
dendroaspis,

You are right I have never heard a Death Metal Band live before. I did see Black Sabbath with Bill Ward in his prime in 73 at the Long Beach arena on the Master of Reality tour (there was no such thing as metal before that, jus Zep).

Honestly I haven't listened to that style of music much since my acne cleared up a couple of decades ago. Josh Freese in a Perfect Circle is a pretty hard hitter but probably doesn't have the muscle of Dave Lombardo.

As far as Dave Grohl replacing Jerome. As much as I like the Foo Fighters I don't think Dave would know what a New Orleans funky street rhythm or second line drum beat if it hit him in the head. That is crucial to Trents songs especially those on the Fragile.I think that is why Trent likes his playing. It is so opposite of Jeromes style and the rhythms he was hearing on a daily basis in the Big Easy.
Could be wrong though.

If you want to hear some insane drumming, check out:

Nile
Cynic
Atheist
Morbid Angel
Carcass
Immolation
Deicide (especially "Legion")
Death (they had different drummers on nearly every album, check out "Human" with Gene Hoglan drumming, SICK

)

If you think the drummer for QOTSA is "brutal", I don't know if you will be able to formulate a word to describe these guys.

Of course different styles of music require different styles of drumming, I mean, QOTSA don't write songs that require 260 bpm drumming, but for overall endurance, technicality, and sheer BRUTALITY as you put it, these guys school all.

EDIT: Oops, my bad, Gene Hoglan did not drum on Death's "Human" album as I previously stated, Sean Reinert, from the previously mentioned band Cynic, drums on that album.

nbps

Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:01 am · #468776

dendroaspis,

Thanks for the tip on drummers. I will have to switch my BMG Music subscription category preference to Death Metal. I know there are a lot of great drummers in all genres of music Death Metal being no exception. I have heard of some of those drummers what about Vinney Paul & John Tempesta? Believe it or not I took drum lessons from the same teacher as Lars Ulrich. Joe Zaviaruha at West Coast Drum Center in Santa Ana CA. I also used to work there back in the day when Bob Wrate was the owner 1974 & 75, ouch! Took lessons from him too.

But getting back to QOSTA. I don't know if you have seen Joey Castillo with them or were in SD on Friday night. Joey has a small kit of huge drums, bass, snare, mounted tom, floor tom & a couple of extremely thick Rude, Paiste cymbals. He doesn't play a mile a minute, he doesn't have a huge drum setup with double kick. He just f**cking beats the hell out of his drums and appropriately so. He is very good at what he does and even though I called him a cave man there is substance & thought in his playing and I was impressed. That is why he is a successful professional drummer with QOSTA and supporting a NIN tour. Unlike me that resorts to writing drum trivia on the internet.

nil

Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:14 am · #468997

You know that goth chick in audience who was trancing out the whole time? Facing the stage, she was on the left, at the edge of the part where people were sitting? And she kept bending over in her short skirt? Anyway, on the way out, I overheard security talking about her and apparently it was a man.

ninfarley Bricklayer

Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:45 am · #469013

nil wrote:You know that goth chick in audience who was trancing out the whole time? Facing the stage, she was on the left, at the edge of the part where people were sitting? And she kept bending over in her short skirt? Anyway, on the way out, I overheard security talking about her and apparently it was a man.

oh for sure it was a guy. I was against the barricade towards that side and it was hilarious entertainment before and during QOTSA. Sooooo ridiculous.Period

trezfan Bricklayer

Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:57 am · #469043

My friend and I were dead center from Trent, 2 rows back on the floor and not only did I leave with the expected bruises, but my ribcage is really feeling it. I had a hard time breathing afterwards (not that i'm complaining or anything) and it felt like my lungs were going to collapse. Although, I think my friend and I were nearly the remaining chicks that held our ground center stage. I think our both being nearly 6 ft helped. I'm glad that the crowd stomped out that small redhead chick who looked like she was 12. Sorry my hair was too big for you. Grow up. I DO know my hair helped to keep the guys behind me from falling down. Physically, the crowd was alot different than the crowd at the SOMA, where it seemed like more moshing took place. At the Arena, I was basically crushed. I had a pretty damn hard time trying to pry my arm out of the crowd and into the air so I could pump my fist (like for my fav. Wish line: FIST FUCK). And I definitely had a hard time trying to wiggle my numb arm back.

My friend and I absolutely loved hearing the Wretched and Wish. March of the Pigs kicked (my) ass too. Deep would have been interesting to hear. Would have been great if Suck and Happiness in Slavery were played. Somewhat Damaged would have been awesome too.

Trent definitely "pissed" water all over me. His eyes are so intensely green, and GOD he is RIPPED!

I hope the NOV 20th date is definite. All my love to Jerome. It would be great to see him back 110% again at the Arena.

Crave

Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:05 pm · #469183

dendroaspis wrote:
nbps wrote: I have never witnessed such down and out BRUTAL drumming in my life.
You have obviously never heard a death metal band before, or even a more "mainstream" band such as Slayer if you are making a comment such as this.

Dave Lombardo is THE quintessential drummer.

Nah, sorry, but San Diego's Ernie Longoria of The Accident Experiment and Sprung Monkey OWNS guys like Dave Lombardo and Danny Carrey --- both of which uses PLENTY of cocaine to keep up. Ernie doesn't even drink a Red Bull before playing, it's just in him. Now don't get me wrong here, Lombardo and Carrey are great drummers, but Ernie just plain OWNS them on feel and technique, hands down. I tour w/The Accident Experiment, so I'm speaking from the positioin of having seen 300+ shows and have a hard time NOT watching Ernie. If you like someone that just brutalizes the shit out of double bass, then Lombardo is your man, if you like a real mechanical approach to drumming, go see Carrey. BUT! If you want feel, technique, style, touch AND TASTEFUL, brutal drumming, check out Ernie. He mixes it all up. You can see him and The Accident Experiment for yourself (before we hit the road all of October)Sunday the 25th in Hell Cajon at the Hurricane Relief Benefit show @ the Royal Palace along with other bands, or at Brick by Brick on Nov. 11th if you're 21 & up.

Now on the topic of Jerome Dillon. He was just too SPOT ON Friday night to have been coked up. Not that he couldn't have taken a bump or two RIGHT before hitting the stage, but I'm sure after all his years and experience, he knows the dangers of mixing something like coke with pure, raw adrenaline which can and often DOES cause heart palputations and beat irregularities on its own. I could totally feel the adrenaline from my seat, so just imagine the pump of being the very center of that entire stage production!!!! I'm almost positive that he'd wait to party like that if at all, until after the performance, but people I know on the NIN crew say he doesn't even swing that way. Alcohol can cause similar effects, but like I said before, he was just too ON. He didn't fuck up AT ALL until towards the end of Gave Up. UUUGGGHHHHH!!!! What an AMAZING show we almost got to see!!!! I'm VERY tempted to make the drive to Phoenix for tonight's show.........

soundengine Master of the Ninth Arch

Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:08 pm · #469275

I hope the NOV 20th date is definite.

I hope so too... I dont know if anyone else has noticed, but the 20th is perfectly wedged just between the Depeche Mode Concerts in LA and San Diego on the 19th and 21st of November... I pray to GOD I dont have to make a decision between Nails and DMode.

neuroma

Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:01 pm · #469615

I have the DM+NIN dilemna too. I've decided to see DM in vegas and I'm sure they'll add more dates in LA. They usually do about 3 more as they sell out.

DiscoBunny Master of the Ninth Arch

Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:22 am · #470066

Just got off phone with my friend at the Phoenix show. Trent said, we were supposed to do this at our first show, but this is our first show!

Crazy. From what I could hear over the phone, Jerome is feeling better, and the energy was amazing. Even with crappy cell speakers!

I got to the SD show after autolux (bummer)---damn LA traffic... wished I had missed Queens. They were sloppy. I went in there with an open mind and left feeling quite underwhelmed. And they were kind of tacky. Not really appropriate to make jokes about how being drunk/high/stoned etc is the only way to enjoy the music when you are on tour with a recovering addict. It just sounded like they were trying too hard---like that one guy at every keg party that passes out first.

The boys were doing a fine job, up until the whole debacle. But the energy in the place was amiss. Maybe I just got spoiled from the intimacy of the club shows. The arena setting is a different animal--it was nice to see more intricate light instillations, and the curtain looked pretty freakin interesting when eraser started. I can't wait to see the rest of the set.

Now I have to wait a while. Wake me when September ends. (sorrysorry---had to)

Also, I really had my faith in people dashed yet again when I heard all the stupid ass comments like, "dude, just get someone else to do it!" "uh, huh, huh, he prob. just needed to get laid!" Or "hey, I know CPR!"...Trust me honey...they got it under control. I think Jerome would get Jeordie to give him mouth-to-mouth before you.

Show some freakin respect people! (Wait--these are the same people who were there for Queens and looked puzzled when Burn started all hippety hop...sorry I forgot they don't (can't) read.)

Also---for all of you wondering...The gentleman in question who came out to announce when the makeup date would be is JIM GUIENOT. (sp?) JIM is Trent's[NIN's] new manager, of the non-bloodsucking variety. I think he knows a thing or two about a thing or two...so if you ever want to see NIN in your hometown again, I would stop calling him a tour troll.
Besides, he might make you listen to the Offspring if you're bad. That would be waaaayyy worse than Queens. (but not by much)
(Can't believe I was first to post who he was...google people, google.)

nil

Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:58 am · #470115

Question: Why isn't Pinion (the first song they played) included in anyone's setlist?

shagg_187 Grand Pontiff

Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:06 pm · #470333

because those are the intro songs....

like sometimes Trent plays "The New FLesh"... or "The Way Out Is Through" or "Besides You In Time"

he never plays the complete song, but a lil' intro touch to it....

its usually written as Pinion/(Insert Song Name Here)
or Right Where It Belong Intro/(Insert Song Name Here)

tjmilian Master Traveler

Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:45 pm · #470368

shagg_187 wrote:because those are the intro songs....

like sometimes Trent plays "The New FLesh"... or "The Way Is Out Through" or "Besides You In Time"

he never plays the complete song, but a lil' intro touch to it....

although pinion is obviously an intro, it seems more like part of the show than the new flesh and the version of beside you in time they play before the shows. pinion is louder and it is the complete "live" version. great intro.

when was the way out is through played as an intro?

november 20... does that mean san diego is the first and last show of this leg of the tour in the u.s.?

-tj

demo Master ad Vitam

Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:05 am · #470979

The Way Out Is Through was never an intro song.

Magrão Prince Adept

Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:25 am · #471002

I don't know if it was ever an intro song (I'd die if he began plugging it in this tour), but I sure as hell have seen the footage of it being played live Fragility v 1.0! London, '99.

shagg_187 Grand Pontiff

Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:26 am · #471003

tjmilian wrote: when was the way out is through played as an intro?
-tj

london, england - 12.01.99 - Fragility V1.0

Im not sure if its Intro but by the looks of it (and the curtains going up when they Kick In), It looks like an intro track to me....

Papagolash Grand Pontiff

Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:35 am · #471056

shagg_187 wrote:
tjmilian wrote: when was the way out is through played as an intro?
-tj

london, england - 12.01.99 - Fragility V1.0

Im not sure if its Intro but by the looks of it (and the curtains going up when they Kick In), It looks like an intro track to me....

Nope, not an intro track. Think of that song for that tour being equivilent to Beside You In Time on the With Teeth tour, or The Downward Spiral on the Self Destruction tour, or The Way Out is Through on Fragility 2.0. Was the outro song for the quiet/video section of the concert.

mainliner18 Master Traveler

Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:38 pm · #471551

Exactly Papagolash. You can tell that TWOIT is not an intro cuz on the video footage, trent is already soaked. He never comes out soaked, that happens after a few songs. (I guess you could call what i just did "Song Placement Forensics"

) That could make a good intro song though, even right after Pinion.

nbps

Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:44 pm · #486361

Where is Jeff Porcaro when you need him?

Jerome what ever you do don’t start gardening!!!

piggy6532

Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:52 pm · #493872

I was at the show and i had spiral seats, i thought they were really good. I was glad i was on the side of the stage cause then i could actually see trent and company. If i was in any other section it would have been too far away. Anyway the set was awsome, me and my boyfriend got to the concert in the middle of Queen's set. I am really not into them and didn't want to sit though a band that wasn't NIN. But i am really excited for the Nov 20 show!! my tickets have been kept very safe, and i read that there was a Depeche Mode conflict concern. DM is not playing on the 20th they play 19 in SD and 21,22 in LA and new show 23rd in Anaheim, which i just got tickets to. I am planning on going early to the NIN show, hope i see some of you there!!

By the way the show was so awsome there are not even words to express. Just as good or better than the Fraglility tour i saw in 2000. I hop we don't have to wait another 5 years to see them again!!!

nbps

Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:38 pm · #502166

I READ THE NEWS TODAY...OH BOY!

Disappointed Jerome is not returning to the line up. Actually he is one of the main reasons I got into NIN in the first place. Some how a couple of years ago I saw the video of And All That Could Have Been on a cable TV show and was in awe of this drummer I had never seen or heard of before (and I thought I had heard or seen every drummer that has inspired me over the past 35 years - that is a lot of drummers -100’s). I had to find out who this guy is and check out his playing.

With Jeromes playing on La Mer, The Great Below & Just Like You Imagined. I felt compelled to learn those rhythms and try to make them feel comfortable when playing to NIN CD’s (my CD player is hooked up to a Roland TD-7 electronic drum set. Then input into a Mac computer through a Tascam US-122 interface to ProTools software. 24 bit technology.This is the next best thing to playing in the band, eliminating personality conflicts, road food & being couped up in a bus with strangers - no salary though).

I realized that Jerome was pulling out all these different styles and elements of sophisticated drumming with a combination of triggered acoustic drums & ddrums then fusing them with Trents sequenced ProTool patterns producing the spine for a rocking concert.

Now I had to see this incredible band with incredible songs and an incredible drummer. If only theywould play live again. Hell or high water I was going to be there.

Concert#1 - Drove out to Las Vegas to see them at The Joint, Hard Rock Hotel & Casino. I thought the show was too loud and not enough separation in the mix (I had seen Bowie & a Perfect Circle with Josh there before. Both sounded great). Later I learned from my ProTools class that sound collects in the corners of rooms. Never get concert tickets or stand in the corner of a concert the sound sucks. Couldn’t see the band or Jerome above the crowds heads but I was singing & rocking out to those syncopated rhythms I love so much.

Concert#2 - A month later NIN is playing at Soma, San Diego. What the Hell an hour drive. This time I planted myself up on the ramp in the back of the room and would not budge. I brought small binoculars & got a great view of the band & Jerome above the crowd through out the entire show - SCORE! Man that was a hot and sweaty show.

Concert#3 - NIN comes back to San Diego for the arena tour. I am thinking now I can sit down and look down on the band and check out Jerome from a good vantage point. BACKFIRE. When NIN starts playing everybody in the arena stood up until the end of Nine Inch Nails as I knew them. The rest is history.

Concert#4 - Alex I am looking forward to your interpretation of Trents songs and rhythms in San Diego 11/20. You have big shoes to fill and in more ways than one, Jerome is 6”5”.

JUST IN CASE YOU HADN’T NOTICED JEROMES EXPERTISE, HERE IS MY RUN DOWN ON SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF HIS PLAYING ON THE DVD.

TELL A LIE - Some nice beefy drum beats and hip drum breaks. Check out where the snare beats fall. Not just 2 & 4.

SIN - Big 2 & 4 with interesting drum breaks. Off beat hi hat although that might be sequenced.

MARCH OF THE PIGS - Jerome gives Vrenna (I like his playing too) a run for the money. Not an easy song to play. Slightly faster & more funky than Chris although kudos to Chris for coming up with this drum part & others.

PIGGY - Uncomfortably slow to play. A piece of cake for Jerome. Second line snare ghost notes between the 2 & 4 on Piggy propel the song. At the end his counter point drumming against the sequencer is fabulous. Jerome makes Piggy swing. That song is SO funky!!!

THE WRETCHED - some great jungle tom tom stuff on the chorus. The less is more approach. There is also a snare fill towards the end of the song that is pretty hip.

GAVE UP - I just dig Jeromes fast, tight pseudo punk drumming through out the song.

LA MER - The off beat 8th note hi hat beat INSTEAD of the standard swing jazz beat (quarter note, doted 8th note, 16th note pattern) blew me away. Later after I bought the Fragile I realized that was Trents idea. Never the less great drumming interpretation & feel.

THE GREAT BELOW - I love it when the16th note hi hat, 8th note triplet tom tom beat combo starts. Is that cool or what?! It’s hard to play with such a relaxed feel.

THE MARK HAS BEEN MADE - Again the less is more approach and sounds really heavy when the power chords kick in. That is the deffinition of heavy metal.

WISH - Love the fast snare/ bass work, then adds the toms. Again pseudo punk drumming with intelligence.

COMPLICATION - Stiff counter point on the intro then kicks in with the rest of the band.

SUCK - Actually I Like Danny's funky bass part. Jerome knows when to back off & just to keep time, then throws in another hip smooth drum fill and ends the song slamming.

CLOSER - Off beat hi hat against the sequencer is trippy. You don’t find that kind of feel much in hard rock. I am on to Trent though & he uses it all over the place. In the 70’s we called that funk. But Trent takes the funk out of it and delivers - you know what I mean.

HEAD LIKE A HOLE - Jerome starts with a bitchin New Orleans drum style intro then changes to the big 2 & 4. A 16th note hi hat feel (Trent takes the disco out of disco too) enters towards the end of the song.

JUST LIKE YOU IMAGINED - I love the odd time signature feel. Forgive me metal heads but It reminds me of Mahavishnu Orchestra sans Billy Cobham replaced by a comfortable rock feeling Jerome Dillon. I wished NIN played this when I saw them.

STAR****ERS, INC - Never cared for this obnoxious song but like Jeromes stiff drumming. He slams on it. I wish NIN would not play this song when I see them again.

HURT - Jerome plays a ballad with big tom tom sound

At any rate. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND BUYING THE DVD AND ALL THAT COULD HAVE BEEN. Excellent concert footage of the former band and a perfect way to check out and APPRECIATE their last drummer, the great Jerome Dillon. Plus the drums sounds are really good. Now I will have to do by listening to the crappy boot legs with Jerome at the Joint & Soma shows. The DVD never fails to inspire me though.

Jerome, I will be following your career through your web site. I look forward to hearing you on CD’s in the future. Please let all of us know when, where and with whom we can see you play live. I will be there!

For what it is worth I started playing the drums at age 12 & have never stopped learning & discovering great music & great drummers of all genres... Hmm I wonder what drummer Steve “Grizzly” Nisbett of Steel Pulse is doing these days? Another favorite & over looked drummer.

All the Best,
Nigel B.
aka nbps

P.S.
A big shout out to Manchester, England where I was born. If anybody went to Heaton Moor Infant School or Didsbury Road School In Stockport in the late 50’s early 60’s, say hi. I was there too. As an impressionable 8 year old I Immigrated to the US on a steam ship in 1964 during the British Invasion.

librarising

Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:10 pm · #518603

attended the 11/20 show in San Diego last night.. curious if anyone had a set list.. i recalled about 19 tracks from memory, but the order is somewhat fuzzy and i may have missed a song or two.. this is what i have so far

Love is not enough
The line begins to blur
Terrible lie
You know what you are
March of the pigs
Something i can never have
The Frail/The Wretched
Right where it belongs
Beside you in time
Suck
Dead souls
Only
Wish
Closer
With teeth
Hurt
Head like a hole
The hand that feeds

the exact order is shaky, but i was too busy jamming to really pay that much attention.. if anyone can confirm or correct this, i'd appreciate it

nbps

Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:42 am · #518983

So now I have seen 4 NIN shows this year.

This will probably be my last rant on this site. I am picking up where I left off on the canceled San Diego show on Sept 16th, regarding drummers.

Well this concert (11/20) was like hearing an altogether different band than the other three shows.

I can’t call Nine Inch Nails and Industrial Rock band any more. That label simply doesn’t fit the new member line up. Words to describe the band now - raw, primitive, primal. Yes they are a raw, primal rock band. I think Trent has been on the road too long with Queens of the Stone Age. He has taken his band further down the spiral in to the Jurassic Period. I guess perfect for a song like Reptile.

Gone are the second line drum beats. Gone is the funk of Piggy. Gone is most of the neat computer sequencing. Gone is the seamless drum break in Suck. Gone is the cool New Orleans intro to Head Like a Hole, gone is the hip drumming of Jerome Dillon, replaced by head banging pummeling. What is left is again - raw and unrefined. On the upside gone is Strarf***ers.

Yes the syncopation is still there but the coolness of it all has diminished too. If you thought that Only might take you back to the 70’s forget it. It gets the same treatment as all the other songs, loud and thunderous.

Last nights show rocked more than the other shows but I have to be honest I like Jeromes playing that made NIN swing a lot more than Alex’s furious pummeling. Alex does a great job on the new With Teeth material but the older material isn’t as up to par. Is NIN becoming generic? Then again the drummer problems were not Trents doing and his excellent performance as singer etc. is very consistent from one show to another.

I have read comments on this site regarding Alex’s playing. Comments like “spot on” & “flawless”. What does that mean? I can’t call Alex’s drumming spot on. Flawless... surely you are joking. Granted there was no time to audition drummers and I respect the fact that Alex met the challenge and probably under great duress. He now has 24 or so shows under his belt.

If you like drummers that beat the shit out of there drums on every song like Trent does then you will love Alex’s playing. For me it gets tiresome, repetitive and monotonous (I could never say that about Jeromes playing, in fact quite the opposite) and it would be nice to see and hear some great musicianship and dare I say it - chops & finesse. Trents main focus on drummers seems to be muscles everything else is secondary. Maybe he searches for drummers at the gym.

I have to give Alex credit though. He is a good at what he does and maybe there is more to his one dimensional playing than meets the ears and eyes at a NIN show. He does a good job on difficult songs like Burn and Eraser that have beat displacement - I think. It was tough to figure out what was actually being played and what was sequenced on those numbers even though I had my binoculars. He beats the hell out of the hi hat too and for no apparent reason because I couldn’t hear the hi hat in the house mix. I think it is mostly theatrics because you can get a big sound from drums with out having to club them to death. It is called sound reinforcement. I say less theatrics and more musicianship.

So I am over NIN for now. Pinch me when a new CD comes out and a new tour is under way. When Trent is ready to get over this fad he has right now bombastic drummers. I hope he reinvents himself before another major tour. I am ready for him to go to another level & direction with his music. It seems to me that he is taking a step backwards. Maybe he is going through mid life crisis. I can identify with that.

All sour grapes. I’m not in the band - right? I am too old & I don’t have big enough muscles.

Oh, by the way I did enjoy the show. The sound & lighting was really good too.

Just my two cents. I think I have the right as I have spent quite a bit of money on all things NIN this year (3 concerts from ebay - 3 nights in Vegas, 5 NIN CD’s & DVD’ sorry Trent 2 bootleg CD’s & DVD, 2 T shirts & gas to get there and back from 4 shows).

Trent - A sincere thanks for coming back to San Diego. San Diego loves Nine Inch Nails.

I wonder ...Is Simple Minds Touring?

Urias

Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:55 am · #520766

Yeah the order is kinda fuzzy but i think you most of the order right....

though you are missing "Deep"... wich was a nice surprise

librarising wrote:attended the 11/20 show in San Diego last night.. curious if anyone had a set list.. i recalled about 19 tracks from memory, but the order is somewhat fuzzy and i may have missed a song or two.. this is what i have so far

Love is not enough
The line begins to blur
Terrible lie
You know what you are
March of the pigs
Something i can never have
The Frail/The Wretched
Right where it belongs
Beside you in time
Suck
Dead souls
Only
Wish
Closer
With teeth
Hurt
Head like a hole
The hand that feeds

the exact order is shaky, but i was too busy jamming to really pay that much attention.. if anyone can confirm or correct this, i'd appreciate it

Urias

Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:31 am · #520777

Also!!! the guys played Reptile...

Trent Said that that one was one of his favorites!

nbps

Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:53 am · #587015

JUST WHEN I THOUGHT I WAS OUT I GET SUCKED BACK IN AGAIN.

Looking forward to show #5 & seeing Trent, Josh (drummer#3 for me) and the rest of the small metal spikes.

I can't believe I got a ticket from Ticket Bastards at face value. Must have been Aladdins magic genie.

Just received Jeromes nearLY CD from Amazon. Haven't listened to it yet. Could be good for the drive across the Mojave Desert to Vegas.

Wishing Alex all the success in the world with his future drumming endeavors. I didn't mean to be so harsh. My opologies.

nbps

Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:27 am · #613994

A DRUMMERS PERSPECTIVE OF THE ALADDIN SHOW
Continued from cancelled Cox Arena show Sept. 05.

Finally got a chance to sit down and give my input on the Aladdin show. I was going to write from my laptop but the only decent connection I could get was in the hotel room bathroom. Not a place you want to spend too much time in when you are in Vegas.

Bought Jeromes nearLY CD and gave it a first listening while taking the long route to Vegas. Drove out through Joshua Tree Nat'l. Park (use to rock climb back in the day) stayed the night in 29 Palms then took the back way through Amboy & the Mojave State Preserve. Great vast barren dessert!!! Jeromes "straight to nowhere" must have been written for that drive. Over all nearLY reminds me of PJ Harvey.

Stayed at the Strat as usual. Has anybody checked out the top 40/R&B house band called Area 51 there? These guys are great. They play like 5 hours a night, 5 days a week and if you like music from the 70's, they play the obscure songs really close to the original recordings. The guitarist plays like Jimmy Hendrix & kind of looks like him (use to be in a top 40 band myself, among others). Last time I was at the Stratosphere was in January (to see drummer David Garabaldi & Tower of Power at the Orleans) same band Area 51 at the Strat.. Don't laugh they do killer versions of Peter Frampton & Grand Funk Railroad. I am not kidding you have got to see them. Especially if you were around back then and know the songs inside out, or... "Inside Looking Out" as the case may be.

ON TO THE ALADDIN

Yes, I saw the chicks with the Perfect Drug shirts & skimpy outfits. I notice things like that.

Balcony seat front row, sort of.

I hadn't listened to any NIN since the COX show in SD last Nov. I went on a cruise in the Gulf of Mex. and got heavily into punta rock calypso music. Then got back into Steel Pulse. Saw them 2 weeks ago, House of Blues, Anaheim. I miss their last drummers Steve "Grizzly" Nesbitt & Conrad Kelly.

Anyway...............I WAS READY FOR NIN!!!!!

The Aladdin may have been the best concert for me (Joint, Soma2, Cox 1 & 2) but the line begins to blur. Everything seemed fresh & I was amped & on the verge of going berserk. I had previously practiced (last year) A LOT of homework on the drumming from all the CD's & it kicked back in like it was yesterday. If only I could bring my electronic set to the concert. Maybe Trent could use two drummers.

SPEAKING OF DRUMMERS

If you have read my cancelled COX rant you know what I think of the IRREPLACEABLE Jerome Dillon. Nobody can play Piggy, Spiral (although Chris came up with the beats) & Fragile songs better. As previously mentioned JeroME could make NIN swing. Alex shinned best on rock songs like Love is Not Enough, Reptile and the beat displacement songs like Eraser, but simply was not versatile enough. NIN is a tough gig!

Josh Freese kind of bridges the gap. Even the Dave Grohl gap - We all know Josh's reputation. I had seen him play with A Perfect Circle & at the Guitar Center Drum Off finals a few years ago. Not to mention Saturday Night Live on TV with Paul Westerberg. Did I see Josh at Irvine Meadows when he was about 12 years old playing a song with Toto before Jeff passed away or was it some one else? Josh's drumming was way different than with A Perfect Circle, meeting the challenge of NIN.

One of my favorite songs with Josh was "You Know Who You Are". Josh please tell me you were playing double kick. I will cry if that beat was sequenced. Josh just pray that Brooks Wackerman isn't available for the next tour. I would love to give "You Know" a shot with NIN & of course "Please" from the Fragile. They never play that song and it has the coolest second line drumming.

ONLY was way superior than at the COX show, although it still did not take me back to the seventies. Josh really did a good job rocking to the off beat and I could hear the hi hat.

Then Josh plays Jerome. Jerome played on the song "With Teeth" on the CD. Josh has Jerome down on that song. The drum beat sounds disjointed until you figure it out. Josh figured it out and made it groove. The trick I think is the kick or tom beat on the & of three, every other measure. That's what holds it all together.

The sound at the Aladdin was really clear. No stuffy/space head ear ringing afterwards. For some reason the lighting had more impact for me at the Soma2 show. Perhaps it was because the venue was smaller, I was closer and the light show was really in your face. I recall the lighting was so electric that I could almost feel the electricity charging through my body. Not to say that the lighting wasn't good at the Aladdin. There is guy on this thread (Aladdin Thread) that has seen 15 shows in the last year. I would be interested in which show sticks out in his mind & why, and why he hasn't got a life? Just kidding we are all NIN addicts & gotta do what we gotta do. Is NIN the Perfect Drug?

Added upside - the girl standing next to me kind of wanted me to go home with her... so she said. Hey NIN fan on this thread (Aladdin Thread), dress up for a NIN show and you have a better luck with the girlies.

Down side - I made the mistake of parking on the 8th tier of the parking structure. I was not the only one that took over an hour to drive out. I met a fellow NIN fan - uh at ... an after hours club. His tip was park at the Paris. "Got out of there in less than 20 minutes".

There was a rumor that Josh was at the same club at the same time, some where in the back...only a rumor.

All I can say about the club is that I met a DREAM GIRL there &.... "I just want something I can never have".

Hands down the best day/night/day so far this year! Didn't get to bed until 4:00 AM. Broke even on double bonus video poker. No hang over. Drove home on Monday.

Looking forward to show #6 at the Irvine Amphitheater in July.

kellyn

Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:54 pm · #614594

HEY i see the set lists that u guys posted for the 11/20 makeup show. i have a little bet going with my sister about whether or not they played "the great below." a six pack of stone is on the line here. if u went to the show please tell me your thoughts!!!

nbps

Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:52 am · #620728

Was that Josh Freese I saw playing with Barry Manilow last night on Larry King? If not who? Hard to tell without the electric tape.

Wow, Nine Inch Nails to Barry Manilow in less than 2 weeks!

nbps

Tue May 02, 2006 3:44 am · #637937

I had no idea where my mania was going to go next.

10,000 Days out tomorrow.

I haven't listened to Indonesian Gamelan music in a while.

I don't know where Danny's head is at now, but I am strapped in and ready for the ride.

nbps

Sun May 14, 2006 11:44 pm · #647649

Dear Diary,

Pretty quiet afternoon. Just passing time.

How is this for synchronicity?

Received this week & listened to the remastered Starless & Bible Black CD (to complete the Larks Tongue in Aspic, Red trilogy). If you don’t have these classic 70’s KING CRIMSON CD’s log on to Amazon right now & buy them! Bill Brufords playing is timeless and his time is just as good. Bill is an icon!

Opened up the Weekly to find that Robert FRIPP was playing locally the same night with Matt Chamberlain, Peter Buck and others with the sextet “Slow Music” (check out their web site).

Made it to the Coach House (SJC). No one to go with. If Trent was around maybe he would have gone with me. Possible he could have got us in at a discount through the Adrian Belew connection, I would have sprung for mineral waters and snacks. Okay the ticket was only $20.00. There was like 100 people. Mostly Crimson fans in their 50’s I guess. I was the only one wearing a NIN t shirt.

No mistaking Fripps guitar sound. The show sounded very much like the quite parts of Starless & Bible Black. Mostly improvised, electronic, ambient music. No driving beats at this show. Couldn’t tell much REM infuence. Matt played acoustic drums with mallets, hands & sticks while every one else had a full electronic rigs even the cello player. I got within 6 feet of Fripps rig during their break. Too bad I didn’t know what I was looking at - I’m a drummer.... need more ProTools classes.

Matt played well (of course) but I was thinking how cool it would have been if Jerome was playing with Fripp. After all he can play comfortably in odd time and comes up with ryhthms like With Teeth. Mr. Bruford prefers playing jazz these days so Jerome doesn’t seem that much of a stretch. As I said, Fripp even has a cello player. On the other hand a club tour with NEARLY opening for Fripp & SLOW MUSIC could be just as cool... Maybe I should contact their management.

Or how about this - Jerome with King Crimson. Matt with with REM, Alex gets back with Kravitz. You know Dave has his own band, Josh, well isn’t Josh with Barry Manilow now?. I am assumimng that Brooks is way, way to busy playing punk funk or whatever. Gee wiz if I could only think of a new drummer for Trent & NIN..................Hmm.

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Just scratched the surface of 10-M Days. Not ready to make any remarks on it or Danny’s playing yet. Although I am wondering what kind of liability insurance TOOL has. I think Danny’s double bass, kick drumming ripped my woofers. I may need to seek compensation. Who do I call, how do I file a claim? They must have liability insurance..... all those kids looking at the sun through the CD cover magnifyers. Yes, I know there is a disclaimer.

nbps

Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:33 pm · #698247

A DRUMMERS PERSPECTIVE OF THE IRVINE SHOW
NIN SHOW #6 - Another Rant & Fodder For Thought.
Continued from COX canceled Tour Drummer Harangue 9/05 - Page 5

Well it all started after I bought my $4.25 hot dog & couldn’t find any relish or onions so I asked at the concession stand if they had any & the answer was no. Like, what a ridiculous question. When I asked, “is relish & onions with my hot dog too much to ask for?” They said yes! ...Is that a NIN policy?

PEACHES... I was entertained. She & her drummer are my worst nightmare. I liked them & ROCK SHOW.

BAUHAUS...That bass player has the rudest sounding bass I have heard in a while. I mean it farts.The guitar player with the white fur coat, big shades, platform shoes that played sax reminded me of the garb Roxy Music (Eno, etc.) were wearing on their 1st album inside cover (Virginia Plain). Was he playing guitar with a bow or a drum stick or what?

NINE INCH NAILS...You were there or you have seen NIN. You enjoyed the show, rocked out, sang along & checked out the cool lighting.

Well, I have some really great CD’s from a guy that did some cutting edge Industrial rock (back in the day). Kind of like a fusion of BOWIE, KING CRIMSON & MINISTRY with a funk pop sensibility. Over time his music morphed with some unreal New Orleans rhythms & nod to the 70’s. His music & live drummer were the best. ...WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THAT GUY, HIS BAND & HIS DRUMMER?!?

People ASK ME WHY I LIKE NINE INCH NAILS. My reply has been that TRENT has some really great songs. No two songs or CD’s are the same and each require a different approach to the sequencing/ drumming. As a drummer myself I have had the problem, when I join a band that every song is in the same genre. I really liked NIN’s diversity. NIN is the only band that has enough diversity that I would never feel bored or boxed in.

Having stated that I am disappointed that Trent's cool Industrial influence is now being homogenized. I know JOSH has a great rep. & is a pro in the music business. Honestly his drumming does little for me because he plays the same way on every song...too loud & hard. What is up with that? I was taught that when you strike a drum too hard you actually choke the drum and it won’t respond or be as loud. In other words over kill. I could not hear Josh’s hi hat cymbals or the ride or crashes. I know you all noticed that too. It does not matter how hard you hit a drum or cymbal if it is not miked properly.

Trent’s music encompasses rhythms and styles from different genres & eras yet he is determined to have his drummers play one dimensionally (GROHL’S self proclaimed RINGO meets BONHAM). Can’t he choose a drummer to play a variety of styles to meet each individual song? What happened to his New Orleans influence? Severly missing! May be I am giving Trent too much credit for the rhythms on his CD’s. Maybe his programmers & producers are the ones that deserve the credit & he doesn’t have a clue.
Who knows for sure? JEROME.

Actually I was impressed with Josh on BURN but more so when I saw him using some tasty brush work playing VENUS with BARRY MANILOW on LARRY KING. I thought that was terrific. Why can’t he bring some of that sensibility to NIN. That’s right play brushes on a NIN song. That doesn’t mean he can’t rock on other songs. At the Aladdin it sounded like ONLY was coming together. At this show back to the same old bludgeoning like Alex at the COX. He/they should listen to some AVERAGE WHITE BAND-CUT THE CAKE & bring some of that vibe to ONLY. Or approach ONLY like MAMA TOLD ME NOT COME by 3 DOG NIGHT. STEVE FERRONE & FLOYD SNEED are killer drummers. Those are two completely different ways to approach that one song. Imagine the possibilities with all of Trent's compositions. Bringing a different yet appropriate vibe to each song (can you say “EVEN DEEPER”). If Josh is such a pro he ought to be able to do that. JEROME could & did & was able maintain his own swinging rock style within the context.

ANOTHER ANALOGY - Speaking of Venus, I use to play VENUS by THE SHOCKING BLUE in a cover band. The original recorded version (70’s psychedelic pop) is really cool. Then BANANARAMA came out with their version in the 80’s and it sucked. I thought I would have to kill myself. They took everything that was cool about the song and threw it out and left the rest. (maybe you can find both versions on Itunes & you will hear what I am talking about. The Venus mentioned with Manilow is a different Venus from FRANKIE AVALON, 1959)). That sums up my feelings with current NIN. They are throwing out or are not giving respect to the original versions OR VIBE of the songs and not even trying. I bet they/he/management believe that it doesn't matter because no one will notice because they think you are all a bunch of uninformed idiots. As long as NIN can be loud, Trent can say fuck the drummer can pummel and they can hide behind a wall of lighting...all is well. Ha..BS! Would you go to see NIN without a light show? Would the musicianship hold up by itself? The songs certainly would (STILL).

I guess for every fan like me they disappoint they acquire 5 more 15 year olds... Just what the world needs is another loud rock band catering to adolescents. They probably aren’t use to getting relish & onions with their hot dog. That would be extra.

Trent now that your wallet is lined, on the next tour let’s get back to cutting edge Industrial Music with incredibly versatile live drumming. Will that be the State Fair Tour? To be fair I really liked the WITH TEETH CD. It grew on me. How come (to my knowledge) SUNSPOT was never played live? Looking forward to the next CD.

TRENT YOU HAVE GOT TO UNDERSTAND, I AM YOUR BEST FAN!

Parking problems... what parking problems? I have learned to leave during Hurt. Parked near the arena fence. Still got out of the lot in 5 minutes. Home by 11:30 PM.

PS.

The best way to describe my drumming style is 60’ s Pop, Progressive Mersey Beat Calypso Metal Bubble Gum combined with 70’s Funk/ Disco 90’s Bop Industrial Fusion Reggae. I usually play match grip & generally ride the hi hat on the left with my left hand & play the ride cymbal on the right with my right hand. Just received my Axis longboard double kick pedals. Oh yeah, I can play a shuffle just don’t ask me to brutally pummel.

nbps

Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:54 pm · #698263

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A MISSING PIECE TO THE PUZZLE - AN EPIPHANY!

Isn't it a prerequisite for a NIN fan to be, annoyed, angry & disillusioned? I will have to check the Spiral Club By Laws but I am pretty sure. I am confident that my comments on the Irvine show will now make me a shoe in for Grand Puba.

Anyway the missing 70's disco connection to NIN is confirmed as I just discovered that the late great Tony Thompson played drums on 8 tracks of The Fragile.

Now, it all makes so much more sense. I have followed Tony's career since he played in Chic (Bernard Edwards & Nile Rogers). Until now I didn't have a clue about his work with NIN.

I posed the question earlier in the thread (9/16 show), "where is Jeff Porcaro when you need him?" Replace that with Tony's name.

Disco meets big beat. Make that huge beat.

Chances are he played drums on Please & came up with the off beat hi hat on La Mer etc.. Tony was the king of both disco & the big beat, Madonna-Like a Virgin, Bowie (Where's Dennis Davis when you need him?)-Let's Dance, Power Station-Some Like It Hot, Robert Palmer-Addicted to Love.

Check out the 2001 interview with him at:

http://www.chictribute.com/arkiv/artiklar/tony01md.html

Could you imagine a tour with Tony on drums. I bet NIN would have played both Please & Sunspot.

botley Prince Adept

Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:57 pm · #698939

He isn't credited, so I imagine his contributions hit the cutting room floor.

nbps

Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:27 am · #699851

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Dude can't you hear his influence?

Doesn't sound like you are a drummer (I have been playing for 36 years +). I can hear Tony's influence all over the CD.

That ain't no white drummer and I have been going on about the disco/funk/New Orleans second line style in NIN throughout this thread.

Tony, in his interview mentions Billy Cobham as an influence and again I brought this up earlier in this thread when mentioning Jeromes playing on "Just Like You Imagined". Tony also took lessons from Narada Michael Walden. Both drummers played in Mahavishnu Orchestra.

I would think that Trent and management wouldn't want the secret to get out that they had disco brother playing with NIN. That is about as far as you can get from Chris Vrenas style & the original NIN. That is why he is not listed (in my opinion).

And if I am wrong who played drums on The Fragile?